Comments for RaceFans https://racefans.net/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:41:21 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on Track changes, car changes, same winner? Six Singapore GP talking points | Formula 1 by Stephen Taylor https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938463 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:41:21 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938463 In reply to Red Andy.

Well to be fair closing the pit lane after a SC was first deployed particularly in the fuelling era was a bit stupid.

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Comment on Classic F1 car runs "even more fun" using sustainable fuels - Vettel | Formula 1 by MichaelV12 https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/racefans-round-up-12-09-6/#comment-4938462 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:40:41 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516711#comment-4938462 In reply to Jay.

It kind of does rub the wrong way a bit.
Seb is a likeable guy and I get that he's kind of signed up to the environmental movement now so he has to say these things. I don't have a problem with Seb per se, he's not a bad guy. I rooted for him, especially at Ferrari. :)

But I had to dump my car in 2020 when covid hit. Three years later and prices of decent second hand cars are now inflated beyond my reach. I don't even want one anymore. So… as for cars… well, I would say my environmental footprint is very close to zero.

Silver lining: no more road tax to pay. I'll keep that money myself.

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Comment on Verstappen and Red Bull are better than all rivals in every single area - Alonso | Formula 1 by Fritz https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/verstappen-and-red-bull-are-better-than-all-rivals-in-every-single-area-alonso/#comment-4938461 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:40:01 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=515328#comment-4938461 In reply to Armchair Expert.

All hail the Great dutch hype! Max uber alles! By con or by grift. All is fair in the land Muhammed "ain't no woman smarter than man" Sulayem.

What do you call a dutch driver whos been gifted his first wdc?

Won his second wdc with a car specced from a costcap breach commonly known as cheating.

And for his upcoming wdc has had no competition other than what his teammate was allowed to?

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Comment on Track changes, car changes, same winner? Six Singapore GP talking points | Formula 1 by Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938460 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:01:01 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938460 In reply to MichaelN.

While the track will definitely be faster & consequently the race shorter time-wise by default, but probably not massively shorter because the track configuration is otherwise entirely unchanged, meaning the slow-speed nature that causes long-lasting races with 100% SC record still exists.

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Comment on Track changes, car changes, same winner? Six Singapore GP talking points | Formula 1 by Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938459 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:59:02 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938459 In reply to Euro Brun.

@eurobrun Not really any space for larger runoff space or escape road, but I'm sure that approaching that corner at higher speeds will be equally fine.

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Comment on Track changes, car changes, same winner? Six Singapore GP talking points | Formula 1 by Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938458 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:57:52 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938458 Trimmed-down track - Bypassing the float sequence for four seasons (I remembered the year correctly but I misremembered that as the return year but completion late into that year means 2027 return for the float sequence) will definitely improve lap flow, but like with Yas Marina's, Montmelo's, & even Albert Park's changes to an extent, I doubt that'll improve overtaking because even the longer full-throttle run is still short & seemingly no DRS zone planned for that section. The same concerning other factors such as competitive order, strategies, etc.

Flexibility clampdown - Probably unimpactful in the end.

Massa pursues Crashgate “justice” - He should just let that matter go for good.

Stroll under scrutiny - Nothing particular really about his situation.

Tying loose ends - Pirelli or Brigestone, I'm indifferent, but I'd be okay with ATA as the standard from next season, & finally didn't the 12-month period for Red Bull start in late-October from the Mexico City GP weekend, meaning it'd end around that time this year?

Singapore GP founder’s arrest - Unimpactful, unlike in the Vietnamese GP case.

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Comment on Alonso praises FIA race direction for "good timing" in recent rounds | Formula 1 by Facts&Stats https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/alonso-praises-fia-race-direction-for-good-timing-in-recent-rounds/#comment-4938457 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:47:19 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516929#comment-4938457 In reply to Red Andy.

Some drivers (including Alonso himself) refused the switch to full wets in anticipation of the race being red-flagged, which goes to show the real problem; the expectation that racing can’t happen in full wet conditions, which influences the teams to keep using inters even when the conditions are unsuitable.

hit nail head

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Comment on Classic F1 car runs "even more fun" using sustainable fuels - Vettel | Formula 1 by Facts&Stats https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/racefans-round-up-12-09-6/#comment-4938455 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:35:34 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516711#comment-4938455 In reply to CarWars.

When the synthetic fuels are based on carbon capture, and its production 'fuelled' by wind or solar, then it is just as clean as Solar/Wind electricity.
Actually, it is even cleaner* as the carbon is temporarily 'withdrawn' from the atmosphere.

* for simplicity sake I leave out the impact of producing the Combustion vs Electric powertrain, and the transportation of the fuel/ions.

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Comment on Track changes, car changes, same winner? Six Singapore GP talking points | Formula 1 by MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938454 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:31:16 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938454 While the turn to go under the grandstand in Singapore has always been a bit gimmicky, the earlier right-left corner is pretty fun, with a slightly off-set braking zone as the road curves to the left. And it has even led to some good moves.

One of the challenges of the track has been its length, which in turn leads to long races, which is obviously reduced by the change. Should be interesting to see how this changes the event.

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Comment on Classic F1 car runs "even more fun" using sustainable fuels - Vettel | Formula 1 by Facts&Stats https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/racefans-round-up-12-09-6/#comment-4938453 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:26:51 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516711#comment-4938453 In reply to MacLeod.

The status of some of those trees weren’t good (the non palm ones)

Fun fact: 'Palm trees' aren't trees.
Probably family of the Killer Whales and F1 Racing ;)

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Comment on Winning top rookie despite missing five races was a "tough ask" - Armstrong | Formula 1 by Ashl https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/winning-top-rookie-despite-missing-five-races-was-a-tough-ask-armstrong/#comment-4938452 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:21:33 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516928#comment-4938452 In reply to JA.

There was double points at the Indy 500 last year so he is close to Lundgaard only 0.1 off when you take that into account.

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Comment on Classic F1 car runs "even more fun" using sustainable fuels - Vettel | Formula 1 by Jay https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/racefans-round-up-12-09-6/#comment-4938451 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:03:24 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516711#comment-4938451 In reply to oweng.

Actions speak louder than words. I suspect his carbon footprint is bigger in 1 year than in my entire life. I've never been on an airplane and I also use public transport. People like me see hypocrites who aren't doing what they say.

Less pollution the better but to champion zero emissions on a racing vehicle while flying around the world.. It rubs me the wrong way.

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Comment on Track changes, car changes, same winner? Six Singapore GP talking points | Formula 1 by James https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938450 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:03:05 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938450 In reply to Red Andy.

In the same way that a company will break rules to make money if the fine is less than the profit, this seems like an acceptable approach. In a hypothetical scenario, why not cut a corner to save 10 seconds if you know the only punishment is a 5-second time penalty?

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Comment on Classic F1 car runs "even more fun" using sustainable fuels - Vettel | Formula 1 by Jay https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/racefans-round-up-12-09-6/#comment-4938449 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:56:29 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516711#comment-4938449 In reply to moctecus.

I don't necessarily doubt you but after reading most of their white paper, I have questions about the figures. And in that same whitepaper, it says that F1 will be using the P1fuels in 2026.

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Comment on Verstappen and Red Bull are better than all rivals in every single area - Alonso | Formula 1 by Mayrton https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/verstappen-and-red-bull-are-better-than-all-rivals-in-every-single-area-alonso/#comment-4938448 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:47:23 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=515328#comment-4938448 In reply to Esploratore.

I do partially agree. I feel more are catching on since there is a superstar. You see the same thing in Tennis or other sports. Periods of an athlete dominating attracts viewers. And its not like its the first overall dominant period. We are only 2 years in the current one which was preceded by an 8 (!) year period.

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Comment on Classic F1 car runs "even more fun" using sustainable fuels - Vettel | Formula 1 by MichaelV12 https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/racefans-round-up-12-09-6/#comment-4938447 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:46:54 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516711#comment-4938447 "Race without Trace", well I can't argue with him on that (*cough*).

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Comment on Classic F1 car runs "even more fun" using sustainable fuels - Vettel | Formula 1 by oweng https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/racefans-round-up-12-09-6/#comment-4938446 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:46:31 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516711#comment-4938446 It always strikes me as a weird argument to make - that unless something or someone has a 0% environmental impact on the planet, then you're not allowed to suggest any sort of reduction in environmental impact on the planet.

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Comment on Classic F1 car runs "even more fun" using sustainable fuels - Vettel | Formula 1 by MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/racefans-round-up-12-09-6/#comment-4938445 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:43:16 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516711#comment-4938445

Alessandro Alunni Bravi: "In Formula 1, we are at the pinnacle not only of motorsport, but also of technology, especially for the future of mobility. Since 2014, we've used the most efficient hybrid fuels in the world. Now we are using 10% bio fuel and soon our cars will run on 100% sustainable fuels."

Hybrid fuels?

Anyway, there is only one area where F1 is at the pinnacle of technology; the MGU-H. And that is relatively useless outside of high performance competitive environments because the gains, while meaningful, are marginal in normal road use while requiring a very complex and expensive system to achieve. Even F1's aerodynamics, while certainly clever, are very inefficient because the series thinks open wheels is the only way to have a proper F1 car.

It's no surprise to see F1 double down on fuel as a big selling point for the 2026 rules because there's very little else that makes it interesting. And that's fine - to a degree - because fuels obviously extremely important. What it's not, however, is a particularly interesting topic for manufacturers to market their products on. It'll be interesting to see how many of them stick around long term.

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Comment on Caption Competition 222: Binotto's back | Formula 1 by MichaelV12 https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/09/caption-competition-222-binottos-back/#comment-4938444 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:36:48 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516801#comment-4938444 After countless hours of Sid Meier's Civilization, having developed the technologies "the wheel", "astrology" and "siege tactics", F1 was finally persuaded to welcome its 11th team: Scuderia Vasseur-Binotto.

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Comment on Marko apologises for "offensive remark" about Perez on Red Bull TV channel | Formula 1 by Ankita https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/08/marko-apologises-for-offensive-remark-about-perez-on-red-bull-tv-channel/#comment-4938443 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:26:17 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516783#comment-4938443 In reply to BasCB.

If he had say something against Arab, Indians, Chinese, or African countries, their would be a huge outcry. But for some reason it is striking that this type of comments on (or against) Latin Americans never elicit the same level of outrage. I see it often in the US.

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