Comments on: Track changes, car changes, same winner? Six Singapore GP talking points | Formula 1 https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:54:51 +0000 hourly 1 By: Stephen Taylor https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938464 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:45:11 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938464 In reply to Jere.

The race will be reduced by at least 15-20 minutes I reckon as laptimes will be 15-20 seconds faster

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By: Stephen Taylor https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938463 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:41:21 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938463 In reply to Red Andy.

Well to be fair closing the pit lane after a SC was first deployed particularly in the fuelling era was a bit stupid.

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938460 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:01:01 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938460 In reply to MichaelN.

While the track will definitely be faster & consequently the race shorter time-wise by default, but probably not massively shorter because the track configuration is otherwise entirely unchanged, meaning the slow-speed nature that causes long-lasting races with 100% SC record still exists.

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938459 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:59:02 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938459 In reply to Euro Brun.

@eurobrun Not really any space for larger runoff space or escape road, but I'm sure that approaching that corner at higher speeds will be equally fine.

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938458 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:57:52 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938458 Trimmed-down track - Bypassing the float sequence for four seasons (I remembered the year correctly but I misremembered that as the return year but completion late into that year means 2027 return for the float sequence) will definitely improve lap flow, but like with Yas Marina's, Montmelo's, & even Albert Park's changes to an extent, I doubt that'll improve overtaking because even the longer full-throttle run is still short & seemingly no DRS zone planned for that section. The same concerning other factors such as competitive order, strategies, etc.

Flexibility clampdown - Probably unimpactful in the end.

Massa pursues Crashgate “justice” - He should just let that matter go for good.

Stroll under scrutiny - Nothing particular really about his situation.

Tying loose ends - Pirelli or Brigestone, I'm indifferent, but I'd be okay with ATA as the standard from next season, & finally didn't the 12-month period for Red Bull start in late-October from the Mexico City GP weekend, meaning it'd end around that time this year?

Singapore GP founder’s arrest - Unimpactful, unlike in the Vietnamese GP case.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938454 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:31:16 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938454 While the turn to go under the grandstand in Singapore has always been a bit gimmicky, the earlier right-left corner is pretty fun, with a slightly off-set braking zone as the road curves to the left. And it has even led to some good moves.

One of the challenges of the track has been its length, which in turn leads to long races, which is obviously reduced by the change. Should be interesting to see how this changes the event.

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By: James https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938450 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:03:05 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938450 In reply to Red Andy.

In the same way that a company will break rules to make money if the fine is less than the profit, this seems like an acceptable approach. In a hypothetical scenario, why not cut a corner to save 10 seconds if you know the only punishment is a 5-second time penalty?

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By: Unicron https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938440 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:20:22 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938440 In reply to Euro Brun.

Good point, there is just a small tarmac run off area there. Having looked on Google Earth however I can see the road carries straight on where the turn is so I'm sure that will be used as an escape road.

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By: Red Andy https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938439 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:11:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938439 In reply to F1 frog.

Rosberg's "brilliant strategy" was to cheat by refuelling when the pit lane was closed, an advantage that was not fully negated by his subsequent stop/go penalty. He would be just as undeserving a winner as Alonso in my view.

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By: Jay https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938438 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:09:28 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938438 In reply to F1 frog.

Massa wants money, and he'll probably get it. I wonder if Liberty will successfully sue Bernie to pay for it. I wish Massa well!

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By: F1 frog https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938436 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 07:53:00 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938436 The only time that Felipe Massa would have a case is if he was trying to get justice for Nico Rosberg, the rightful winner of the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, because there is no way that race should be annulled. But even then, I don't agree with changing results 15 years later. The history of Formula 1 is filled with controversies that are an important part in why they are interesting, and tearing up the history books is not the right thing to do. There should be a rule that nothing can be officially changed a year after the season finishes (a rule that does actually appear to exist). It is fine to publicly announce that Hamilton is the rightful champion of 2021 if the rules had been followed, and Damon Hill is the rightful champion of 1994, but not to actually give them these championships so far in the future. Andy Rouse getting the 1983 BSCC title was fine because the results changed within a year of it finishing (actually the same week that he won the 1984 title as well), but if that was being changed now it would be silly. But in Felipe Massa's case he isn't the rightful champion anyway because he has just invented two rules that could make him champion, both of which have no precedent at all, while ignoring the one rule (disqualifying Alonso), which has a huge amount of precedent because it doesn't make him champion. I think the only fair thing would be for the FIA to announce that Renault cheated in the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix (everyone already knew that), admit that Alonso should have been disqualified at the time (but not change anything now), then redirect all their 'compensation' that Massa is after to Nico Rosberg and Williams instead. They actually pulled off a brilliant strategy in response to that safety car that anyone could have done.

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By: MacLeod https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938426 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 06:50:08 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938426 In reply to Euro Brun.

The part they removed due currently undergoing renovations the bypass the tunnel part which was very slow creating a massive straight instead so expect a huge lap time decrease.
The runout begin of the start/finish after the tunnel should be enough to handle any problems. But if a car goes into the barrier there it could be a red flag situation.

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By: Euro Brun https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/12/track-changes-car-changes-same-winner-seven-singapore-gp-talking-points/#comment-4938424 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 06:35:10 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516829#comment-4938424 I don't remember there being much run off at the old turn 20 corner, but it was never particularly fast. Now it's turn 16, it should be considerably faster. Have they increased the run off at all?

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