Comments on: Mercedes 'slipped on simple things' by "overanalysing" - Russell | RaceFans Round-up https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/ Formula 1, IndyCar, WEC, Formula E and more independent motorsport coverage Tue, 12 Sep 2023 06:58:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: Kurik https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938428 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 06:58:55 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938428 I don't think he is talking only about the car alone but with strategy like when to change for slicks in wet weather or why pits stops are so long or which tires to start with. Host of things. While I agree that when they were winning they had the money and time to spend their way out of problems, they are currently 2nd in the championship and scoring podiums on a regular and look like the only team that might challenge redbull in the near future. They arent winning but thats not bad or terrible either.

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By: AlanD https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938413 Tue, 12 Sep 2023 02:52:33 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938413 In reply to giga.

"no reason to get that annoyed at someone giving an answer to an interview"

Well said

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By: PlosslF1 https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938398 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:49:29 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938398 In reply to Darryn Smith.

Uh Oh, looks like Facebook is leaking again…

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938396 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 19:46:36 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938396 In reply to MichaelN.

@MichaelN - Yes, but to be precise, FIA isn't responsible for race control in WEC or IndyCar, but otherwise, some approach change should indeed come.
Fortunately, F1 races haven't been unnecessarily neutralized for a little while.
@Abrams 25 - Yes, but circumstances were exceptional.

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By: Abrams 25 https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938373 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:10:42 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938373 In reply to MichaelN.

Bianchi crash was during local yellow flags.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938350 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 13:54:10 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938350 In reply to F1 frog.

Formula 1 … there are too many safety cars

IndyCar races would be good if it weren’t for the fact that every time a safety car comes out, the entire order is totally jumbled and makes the races seem like a bit of a lottery.

An excellent point, and Freitas over in the WEC is similarly addicted to Safety Cars. It's perhaps the #1 reason I now watch far fewer live races than say, ten years ago. The whole point of longer races in the premier classes is that it adds a lot of tactical and strategic elements to a race. These are all invalidated to a large degree by the constant interruption, resets, and messing up of strategies.

The whole safety car concept needs an FIA-wide rethink. As shown by both F1's standing restart fiasco, the constant red flag restarts at the recent Indy 500, and the even more hilariously bad safety car rules for Le Mans 2023 (which were effectively scrapped midrace because they were so ill thought out) - the governing bodies are actively abusing a system that was once meant to ensure the safety of participants, marshals and the public, all in an effort to 'spice up the show'. They are thereby pressuring, or even incentivizing, the race directors to use these tools more and more.

I'm not suggesting it was all great in the 1990s, because having stranded cars just abandoned along the track is a serious safety concern, but it should be possible again to recover cars (quickly) with the use of local yellow flags.

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By: MichaelN https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938348 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 13:41:52 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938348 In reply to F1 frog.

WEC is very exciting at the moment, but the Balance of Performance, particularly being adjusted mid-season, makes the whole championship feel slightly fake and prevents it from being as good as it should be.

The BoP is the only reason there is a Hypercar class, but the FIA/ACO has not done a good enough job on it throughout the season. The problem is obvious: they race on different tracks. They absolutely nailed Le Mans, where the BoP was near perfect between all the various teams. Given that Le Mans is by far the most important race, perhaps even the only genuinely important race, this is a very good accomplishment with so many new cars in the mix.

But they cannot use the Le Mans spec for the entire season, because it's a very peculiar track. And as you say, when they start messing with the BoP every time it quickly becomes tiresome and people tune out because it all feels contrived and fake. It also doesn't help public perception that both Toyota and Ferrari have been theatrically and publicly moaning about it, something the regulations explicitly forbid - but both went without sanction (so there'll be more to come).

With more teams and more cars joining in the 2024 season, this is becoming a pretty serious problem.

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By: Mayrton https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938326 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:20:44 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938326

we’d been focusing too much on with detail and slipping up slightly on the more simple things that deliver the most amount of performance.”

This doesn't make sense to me. There were some major elements wrong with that car that would need a lot more than a focus on details to offset.

“It’s very difficult to not overanalyse things when you’re slightly on the back foot.

So this doesn't make sense either. Overall, it now comes across like they still haven't got a clue or sensible strategy and are simply still lost on where to begin and what to do. I am getting the idea they spend their way out of issues in the past but since the budget cap are struggling to make sense with the means they have.

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By: Alan Dove https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938316 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 10:08:05 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938316 In reply to Alan Dove.

oh, I forget. No gimmicks. No hybrid, no overtake button, no DRS. Just pure racing.

it genuinely is the best racing

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By: Alan Dove https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938315 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 10:06:53 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938315 In reply to F1 frog.

FIA KZ karting is pretty much the best of them all pound for pound. No Balance of Performance, decent entries, multiple manufacturers, dozens of top-level drivers. The rest of karting is a mess, but the very top level is really good despite the FIA. The FIA direct drive stuff has fallen of a cliff in terms of relevance and meaning, but the top shifter class is banging to be fair.

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By: Yellow Baron https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938314 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 09:41:51 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938314 In reply to F1 frog.

Try watching UFC instead

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938311 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 09:35:16 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938311 In reply to F1 frog.

@f1frog I generally see what you mean, especially about F1 & WRC, although the parts about DRS & SC are inaccurate for the most part even if the wet thing has been true for a while.

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By: F1 frog https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938306 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 07:55:28 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938306 It seems to me that every major motor racing series seems to be in a bad place at the moment.

Formula 1 is still the most special, in my opinion, despite Verstappen and Red Bull dominating and looking like winning every race this season. But DRS is too powerful and is often ruining battles, there are too many safety cars and they can’t race in the wet anymore.

BTCC has always been slightly fixed, but is supposed to just be about exciting racing. But due to the totally ineffective hybrid system, races have become processional and when that is combined with the fact that there is success ballast and reversed grids, it is a shadow of its former self.

Formula e has been okay this year, but the energy-saving and slipstreaming races are too random and all the same, making them seem very forgettable.

IndyCar races would be good if it weren’t for the fact that every time a safety car comes out, the entire order is totally jumbled and makes the races seem like a bit of a lottery.

WEC is very exciting at the moment, but the Balance of Performance, particularly being adjusted mid-season, makes the whole championship feel slightly fake and prevents it from being as good as it should be.

WRC is suffering from a lack of competitive entries, otherwise I think it would be doing well. It just needs one or two more competitive manufacturers.

DTM has totally lost its identity.

NASCAR became a complete joke when the stupid playoffs system was introduced.

At least there is still the history, at least that is one thing that never changes. Not so, thanks to Felipe Massa and his ridiculous legal case not just potentially changing the result of one season from 15 years ago, but potentially opening a can of worms for many others to do the same and for the whole of Formula 1 history to be turned on its head.

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By: giga https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938303 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 07:29:51 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938303 There's literally no reason to get that annoyed at someone giving an answer to an interview. Go calm down and get some perspective 🤡🤡]]> In reply to Darryn Smith.

Must be a Mercedes thing… So many angry people with Lewis living rent free in their heads, but apparently George is getting the same effect now 😂
There's literally no reason to get that annoyed at someone giving an answer to an interview. Go calm down and get some perspective 🤡🤡

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By: Streydt https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938302 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 07:29:39 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938302

Brown:” I’ll let the (U.K. Commercial Court) and the facts when they surface allow people to come to their own conclusions as to Alex’s character."

Sounds like Palou has somehow really offended Brown and I am kind of surprised. I get that Brown is disappointed but business is business, right? I mean it’s a bit odd after the whole Piastri saga that Brown now gets so worked up over this and even questions Palou’s character. It’s not very classy and I doubt it will impress sponsors.

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By: Euro Brun https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938295 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 06:45:40 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938295 In reply to Darryn Smith.

I'm intrigued that you can say p r i c k without getting moderated, given how many times my comments have been blocked for using the letters (not even the words) B S…

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By: SjaakFoo https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938291 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 05:48:45 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938291 In reply to Darryn Smith.

You need to go touch some grass mate.

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By: Jere https://www.racefans.net/2023/09/11/racefans-round-up-11-09-6/#comment-4938290 Mon, 11 Sep 2023 05:22:20 +0000 https://www.racefans.net/?p=516710#comment-4938290 I don't quite see the same way as Robson because even that longer full-throttle run into the fourth-to-last corner is still short, with the track configuration being unchanged otherwise.

On a somewhat related matter, I was happy the Sling got removed ten years ago & I'm happy the float sequence gets bypassed for the time being.
However, I wish this configuration change were permanent rather than only for three seasons, but temporary is better than never.

Nicely done video by Albono.

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